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Old 28th October 2003, 01:42     #1
AycorzFewdz
 
Very angry Evolution

Who here does not beleive in evolution?.

I was having an interesting conversation with someone from work, when said person started going on about how evolution was bullshit and how its "obvious" God created the universe because no one can explain how everything was created.

So i ask him "If thats the case then how do you explain God?"...his only response was "Uh...God's like the ever-present being".

ARGH i was so ENRAGED i beat him about the head with a paperweight.

I'm keen to hear a real argument from someone who does not beleive in evolution.

Please keep flaming at a minimal.

Last edited by AycorzFewdz : 28th October 2003 at 01:43.
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Old 28th October 2003, 01:44     #2
Lumpy
The Bicycle for Fish
 
First post!
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Old 28th October 2003, 01:44     #3
CCS
Stunt Pants
 
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Old 28th October 2003, 01:46     #4
Madoka
Giri Giri CHOP!
 
Aliens and UFOs did all the jobs.

this thread can be closed.

Last edited by Madoka : 28th October 2003 at 01:48.
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Old 28th October 2003, 01:46     #5
Uncle Gus
 
Talking

HAHAHA!!
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Old 28th October 2003, 01:49     #6
Spink
 
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Old 28th October 2003, 01:51     #7
Dystopia
 
i once fucked a black chick
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Old 28th October 2003, 02:03     #8
Trigger
Laserman
 

Holy crap! Did you see that freaking chopper explode?

Last edited by Trigger : 28th October 2003 at 02:11.
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Old 28th October 2003, 02:03     #9
Cyberbob
 
oooer

One question.
There is a random tribe (African i believe) that has pretty much kept to itself over the years. They use the back of their necks to balance heavy loads on. (Water carriers etc) They eventually got a slight buildup of muscle and bone on their upper backs and neck, due to their constant usage. Over generations, this growth has become more predominant, growing larger than the one before, to the point that babies of the tribe are born with it.

Is this, or is this not, evolution in action?

Last edited by Cyberbob : 28th October 2003 at 02:05.
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Old 28th October 2003, 02:04     #10
Simon
SHG
 
Thumbs down

I haven't touched a guitar in about a week.
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Old 28th October 2003, 02:06     #11
Uncle Gus
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Cyberbob
oooer

One question.
There is a random tribe (African i believe) that has pretty much kept to itself over the years. They use the back of their necks to balance heavy loads on. (Water carriers etc) They eventually got a slight buildup of muscle and bone on their upper backs and neck, due to their constant usage. Over generations, this growth has become more predominant, growing larger than the one before, to the point that babies of the tribe are born with it.

Is this, or is this not, evolution in action?
No, this is adaptation. Not the same thing.
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Old 28th October 2003, 02:08     #12
Cookie
 
/me lays down some tarp.

There's going to be some major shit slinging going on soon. Someone has to think of the carpet...


NO I'M NOT A LESBIAN!

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Old 28th October 2003, 02:18     #13
Asa
 
didnt they basically "prove" that evolution is wat actually happend? how it started from south african then migrated to asian etc..
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Old 28th October 2003, 02:19     #14
Uncle Gus
 
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No, this is adaptation. Not the same thing.
Shit! I actually said something serious in this thread. Dammit.


Ummm.....

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Old 28th October 2003, 02:30     #15
Cyberbob
 
Cunning linguist

Much better.
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Old 28th October 2003, 02:30     #16
Xplod
 
Personal opinions... I repsonaly do not beleive in Evolution although I DO think that earth is older than 10,000 year... duh obviously it is...

I dont think this thread is going to go any where except lots of swearing and bad tantrums aswell as many broken keyboards, mice, cases and smashed windows in the process...

There is no point to this... NO ONE can prove anything for all I care dino's could of been walking around 100 years ago... I cant prove that they werent.... neither can you...
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Old 28th October 2003, 02:46     #17
Lightspeed
 
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/me lays down some tarp.
It's a tarp!
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Old 28th October 2003, 02:49     #18
AycorzFewdz
 
Very angry

Uncle Gus, whats the difference between adaption and evolution? (yes i know theres a difference but like...definitions ta )

omg Xplod. Looks like Dino's are still walking around ay Xplod u dumbfuckosaurus.

Heard of Fossils?

Someone smart from the non-beleiver side please.
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Old 28th October 2003, 02:52     #19
Uncle Gus
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Lightspeed
It's a tarp!
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Old 28th October 2003, 02:56     #20
Uncle Gus
 
Quote:
Originally posted by AycorzFewdz
Uncle Gus, whats the difference between adaption and evolution? (yes i know theres a difference but like...definitions ta )

omg Xplod. Looks like Dino's are still walking around ay Xplod u dumbfuckosaurus.

Heard of Fossils?

Someone smart from the non-beleiver side please.
I'm no expert, so I'll start to make an attempt at an explanation, but I think you'd be better off asking someone who has a real clue.

Actually, I think you'd be better off googling. Here's a quick link. I think the main difference is that adaptation is the individual creature, or even a group of creatures changing to fit the environment. There is a causal link between the environment and the change in the creature. Evolution is random chance. A mutation occurs in a creature, which happens to be advantageous to the creature, enabling it to survive better (natural selection) and pass on its genes.

Adaptation is causal, evolution is not.
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Old 28th October 2003, 03:01     #21
Cookie
 
Talking

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Originally posted by Lightspeed
It's a tarp!
QOTM!!!!
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Old 28th October 2003, 03:02     #22
GRiM ReeFer
 
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.
Friedrich Nietzsche
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Old 28th October 2003, 03:03     #23
AycorzFewdz
 
Question

So something like opposable thumbs is evolution? or adaption?
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Old 28th October 2003, 03:12     #25
Uncle Gus
 
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Old 28th October 2003, 03:14     #26
GRiM ReeFer
 
#there are no new questions, just new questioners

CHRISTIAN APOLOGETICS & RESEARCH MINISTRY
http://www.carm.org/evo_questions/adaption.htm
Question: Are evolution and adaptation different?

Response: "Evolution" is such a broad term, simply meaning "change," that it can be stated quite honestly that adaptation qualifies as a type of evolution. However, when "evolution" is stated to the layperson, the concept is of one sort of organism, like a bacteria, through time, chance, mutations, and natural selection, becoming another sort of organism, like an elephant. If this is the sort of evolution being referred to, then adaptation is in a different category altogether.
Adaptation is the process whereby a series of variations already within a population gets winnowed down to the few that are best suited to any particular environment. This is not a matter of adding anything new to the genetic material of the population, but simply weeding out what is not working as well as some other variations. For instance, a population of bears which wandered north at some point, gradually lost members with less fat, less aggressiveness, and darker fur, eventually leaving us with the white, aggressive, and fat-layered polar bear. There may have been some mutations or combinations which increased the fat or the aggressiveness or the lightness of color, but nothing which changed the essential "bear-ness" of the beast.
This is radically different from the type of evolution which posits that some kind of unicellular organism through millions of mutations became that bear in the first place.

Helen Fryman
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Old 28th October 2003, 03:17     #27
Uncle Gus
 
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Originally posted by AycorzFewdz
So something like opposable thumbs is evolution? or adaption?
Opposable thumbs would be evolution, most likely. An example of adaptation would be like, camels having long eyelashes to prevent getting sand in the eyes, that kind of thing.

A good example of adaptation in every day human life is callouses. Repeated rubbing or bumping makes your body change. Have a look at the two fingers you use to grip your pen with when writing, or compare the fingertips on the two hands of a guitarist.
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Old 28th October 2003, 03:19     #28
Uncle Gus
 
Dammit! Now I have to find another silly picture.
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Old 28th October 2003, 03:21     #29
Uncle Gus
 
Snore

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Old 28th October 2003, 03:24     #30
AycorzFewdz
 
Very angry

DEAR GOD!
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Old 28th October 2003, 03:25     #31
Lumpy
The Bicycle for Fish
 
So... How about that York Groundsel?
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Old 28th October 2003, 03:38     #32
Lightspeed
 
Quote:
Originally posted by AycorzFewdz
So i ask him "If thats the case then how do you explain God?"...his only response was "Uh...God's like the ever-present being".
How do you explain cause and effect? Where'd it all start?
Huh? HUH?!

Pizza.
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Old 28th October 2003, 03:55     #33
GRiM ReeFer
 
I'll see your York Groundsel and raise you a Spartina anglica!
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Old 28th October 2003, 04:03     #34
AycorzFewdz
 
Very angry

I AM FURIOUS.
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Old 28th October 2003, 04:11     #35
Simon
SHG
 
Who wants to hear about the rash I had on my scrotum a couple of months ago?
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Old 28th October 2003, 05:53     #36
Lightspeed
 
Ooooh, so that's what the pic Uncle G posted was of.
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Old 28th October 2003, 07:55     #37
SpaceCowboy
Here be dragons
 
Cunning linguist

i personally take the view of physicists the world over, and ignore anything non-physics related, ie. biology.

i do think the universe is on the order of 15 billion years tho.
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Old 28th October 2003, 08:15     #38
plaz0r
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Trigger

Holy crap! Did you see that freaking chopper explode?
The ultimate zing!
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Old 28th October 2003, 08:23     #39
[oOalienOo]
 
you better look under the sea~~

CONGRETULATIONS POD 6 YOU'RE SEALAB'S POD OF TH3 MONTH !

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Old 28th October 2003, 08:56     #40
armourking
 
Now, if humanity all used the Scientific Method before believing things, then we wouldn't have these sorts of threads.
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