New Star Trek Movie

[Rocket]

try using the spoiler tags. seeing this tuesday at v-max, yus!

[Fred]

Originally Posted by [Malks] Pixie

Some great laughs, good action, plenty of hat-tips (loved the take off of "Khhhaaannnn") and generally thought it did a great job. I'm not a huge trek fan at all so wasn't worried about the little plot niggles.

They weren't 'little' plot niggles. The whole plot and story makes very little sense - it relied a lot on coincidence to put people in the right place at the right time. Like Spock jetisoning Kirk, what the new Enterprise doesn't have a brig? But of course they needed him down on the ice-planet to meet one plot central character and pick up another crew-member. It is just lazy writing.

We also shouldn't start on the silliness that is one star going supernova and threatening the entire galaxy yet being able to be contained by one ship dashing to one place. The astronomy makes no sense at all. Or the whole time travel thing - after all even if Romulus did get destroyed why didn't Mr Fancy Pants use the warp around the sun trick, that he knows how to do, to go back in time and arrive with enough time to save Romulus and thus avert the entire affair If he had explained that to Nero then the whole thing could have been resolved.

The plot, in terms of coherency and sense, is very much the weakest part of the film.

[FireStorm]

Originally Posted by Rocket

try using the spoiler tags. seeing this tuesday at v-max, yus!

You go into a movie thread and then complain about spoilers? Seriously, use your brain and stay out until you've seen it. I know you're not new to nzgames but sometimes you act it mate... :\

[[Malks] Pixie]

Originally Posted by Fred

We also shouldn't start on the silliness that is one star going supernova and threatening the entire galaxy yet being able to be contained by one ship dashing to one place. The astronomy makes no sense at all. Or the whole time travel thing...

Since when has Star Trek made any sort of scientific or plot sense really? Most of the Star Trek films and episodes have so many holes in them you could describe them as a form of cheese.

Don't get me wrong - I agree with you there - but I'd never in my life expect there to be scientific accuracy in a Star Trek film (that in of it self would make it stand out from all the other trek stuff).

Pixie

[Rocket]

Originally Posted by FireStorm

You go into a movie thread and then complain about spoilers? Seriously, use your brain and stay out until you've seen it. I know you're not new to nzgames but sometimes you act it mate... :\

We have been using spoiler tags in these threads for a long time, get on board.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by [Malks] Pixie

Since when has Star Trek made any sort of scientific or plot sense really? Most of the Star Trek films and episodes have so many holes in them you could describe them as a form of cheese.

Don't get me wrong - I agree with you there - but I'd never in my life expect there to be scientific accuracy in a Star Trek film (that in of it self would make it stand out from all the other trek stuff).

I think you do Star Trek a bit of a dis-service. Generally they have tried to keep the internal logic of an episode consistant and often they do try to pay at least some lip service to scientific accuracy. Okuda and Sternbach for TNG tried very hard to keep writers on track with making sense. Especially on the basic stuff like the scale of the universe, how long it takes to travel around it and the like. Three minutes to get from Earth to Vulcan, for instance!?! Or the idea of beaming someone from Titan's atmosphere over to the Earth. It isn't something many are going to notice and it does provide for a very cool shot of the big E rising up out of the atmosphere but it doesn't work well when you think about. For instance if you can beam over that distance, scan to see the internal layout of the ship why couldn't you scan to look for Pike directly then beam him out and beam a nice big warhead back in?

Which I think it the issue I have here, plot coherence and technical sense have been firmly sacrificed for the cool. That means we have gone from stories that attempted to have high concept in them to give the viewers something to think about to now it firmly being action adventure popcorn entertainment. I think Gene Roddenberry would be upset with losing that even while he probably would have enjoyed the reimagining of the characters and a lot of the aesthetics.

[BadNova]

The writers should slingshot around the sun and then change the past by writing a more realistic time travel plot.

[Furry Crew]

Originally Posted by Fred

I think you do Star Trek a bit of a dis-service. Generally they have tried to keep the internal logic of an episode consistant and often they do try to pay at least some lip service to scientific accuracy. Okuda and Sternbach for TNG tried very hard to keep writers on track with making sense. Especially on the basic stuff like the scale of the universe, how long it takes to travel around it and the like. Three minutes to get from Earth to Vulcan, for instance!?! Or the idea of beaming someone from Titan's atmosphere over to the Earth. It isn't something many are going to notice and it does provide for a very cool shot of the big E rising up out of the atmosphere but it doesn't work well when you think about. For instance if you can beam over that distance, scan to see the internal layout of the ship why couldn't you scan to look for Pike directly then beam him out and beam a nice big warhead back in?

Which I think it the issue I have here, plot coherence and technical sense have been firmly sacrificed for the cool. That means we have gone from stories that attempted to have high concept in them to give the viewers something to think about to now it firmly being action adventure popcorn entertainment. I think Gene Roddenberry would be upset with losing that even while he probably would have enjoyed the reimagining of the characters and a lot of the aesthetics.

Still more realistic than Harry Potter....I mean come on! A Ginga with TWO friends WTF!

[Cyberbob]

Originally Posted by Fred

I think you do Star Trek a bit of a dis-service. Generally they have tried to keep the internal logic of an episode consistant and often they do try to pay at least some lip service to scientific accuracy. .

Like in Voyager when they "ran into the event horizon" of a black hole? Next on Discovery, tripping over the Arctic Circle.

[BadNova]

Originally Posted by Furry Crew

Still more realistic than Harry Potter....I mean come on! A Ginga with TWO friends WTF!

actual lol

[Cyberbob]

At the end of the day, until FTL travel is actually possible, it's still called Science Fiction, not Science Fact.

[Simon K]

I thought the part where Nero introduced himself over the viewscreen was quite funny. Not some megalomaniac puffing himself up, just a casual greeting

The movie was entertaining and thats what I wanted for my $15 I certainly felt happier than the previous week when Wolverine left me feeling short changed.

[Lightspeed]

Great movie.

Originally Posted by buckies

Anyone else get confused trying to figure out how Kirk was fucking the ginger she-hulk with his undies on?

Before fucking comes foreplay... well, if sex is more than the pursuit of an orgasm I suppose.

[p01s0n]

Originally Posted by Fred

I think you do Star Trek a bit of a dis-service. Generally they have tried to keep the internal logic of an episode consistant and often they do try to pay at least some lip service to scientific accuracy. Okuda and Sternbach for TNG tried very hard to keep writers on track with making sense. Especially on the basic stuff like the scale of the universe, how long it takes to travel around it and the like. Three minutes to get from Earth to Vulcan, for instance!?! Or the idea of beaming someone from Titan's atmosphere over to the Earth. It isn't something many are going to notice and it does provide for a very cool shot of the big E rising up out of the atmosphere but it doesn't work well when you think about. For instance if you can beam over that distance, scan to see the internal layout of the ship why couldn't you scan to look for Pike directly then beam him out and beam a nice big warhead back in?

Which I think it the issue I have here, plot coherence and technical sense have been firmly sacrificed for the cool. That means we have gone from stories that attempted to have high concept in them to give the viewers something to think about to now it firmly being action adventure popcorn entertainment. I think Gene Roddenberry would be upset with losing that even while he probably would have enjoyed the reimagining of the characters and a lot of the aesthetics.

Jesus christ. No words.

[Cyberbob]

Originally Posted by p01s0n

Jesus christ. No words.

That's four. I counted!

[Ritalin]

Originally Posted by BadNova

actual lol

ditto.

[Ritalin]

Originally Posted by buckies

Anyone else get confused trying to figure out how Kirk was fucking the ginger she-hulk with his undies on?

I thought that was Princess Fiona?

[Cyberbob]

Also - I'm really loving the appearance of old Spock.. it means that whatever he says, we as the trekkie viewer understand, because we've been through what he has. He's gone through the black hole and seen the reboot of the series, and so have we.

[Cyberbob]

Also, for those wondering why a mining ship can kick so much ass and why he's full of anger, the wiki on the comic book prequel tells all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=21208356


The comic is set eight years after the film Star Trek Nemesis. Federation and Romulan tensions have generally subsided, with Spock the official Federation ambassador to the Romulans. Data is still alive and has become captain of the Enterprise-E after successfully imprinting his memories onto the prototype android B-4. Jean-Luc Picard is now Federation ambassador to Vulcan, Geordi La Forge has retired to develop his own ships, and Worf is a General in the Klingon Empire.

The galaxy is threatened by the Hobus star, which will become a supernova. Spock proposes that the Romulans transport the precious mineral Decalithium to Vulcan, where it can be converted into red matter capable of turning the star into a black hole, therefore ending its threat. The senate opposes Spock, but he finds a comrade in Nero, the leader of the miners. Nero witnessed Hobus consume a planet first-hand and offers to secretly transport Decalithium, noting it would be better than doing nothing and then leaving his wife and unborn son to die. Nero's ship, the Narada, is attacked by the Remans, but the Enterprise rescues them and escorts them to Vulcan with Decalithium taken from the Reman ships. On Vulcan, the council opposes Romulan use of red matter, infuriating Nero; he vows if Romulus is destroyed, he shall hold them accountable.

Nero returns to Romulus to discover Hobus has gone supernova and destroyed his home world. Driven mad by his loss, he attacks Federation Olympic class hospital ships that have arrived to give aid, believing they have come to claim his people's territory. He beams aboard surviving senators onto his ship and kills them for not listening to Spock, and then claims the Praetor's ancient trident, the Debrune Teral'n, which is the greatest symbol of Romulus. He and his crew then shave their heads and apply tattoos to signify their loss. Nero goes to the Vault, a secretive Romulan base, and has the Narada outfitted with Borg technology to begin a rampage against his enemies.

With the supernova expanding, Spock decides to deposit the red matter weapon. He takes the Jellyfish, a ship developed by La Forge that can withstand extreme environmental conditions. The Narada goes about destroying and assimilating Federation, Klingon and Cardassian ships alike, wounding Worf and damaging the Enterprise in the process. When Spock successfully destroys the supernova, the Narada appears to attack when the black hole flings it and the Jellyfish back in time, leaving Picard and the crew of the Enterprise as witnesses to Spock's sacrifice.

[adonis]

Originally Posted by Fred

Which I think it the issue I have here, plot coherence and technical sense have been firmly sacrificed for the cool. That means we have gone from stories that attempted to have high concept in them to give the viewers something to think about to now it firmly being action adventure popcorn entertainment. I think Gene Roddenberry would be upset with losing that even while he probably would have enjoyed the reimagining of the characters and a lot of the aesthetics.

I've seen every episode of Startrek TNG, DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and all the movies. It's not a very consistant sci-fi show, but I agree this movie did take it to a new level. My main annoyance however had to do with some of the characters. Sarek was especially unSarek like, no amount of time-tinkering would have accounted for his almost complete character change. Uhura kicked a little too much ass. In this movie she spoke Romulan, all three dialects, and was supposedly a master of xenolinguistics, yet we know from ST6 that she couldn't speak Klingon, a language which would probably hold a lot more relevance to that era.

The Humour was a bit cheesy (though still pretty funny), the ending was a bit cheesy (HEY LOOK! VULCAN JUST GOT SWOLLOWED BY A WORMHOLE, BUT WE WON SO IT'S ALL GOOD). Aside from Sarek all of the main characters had definitely done their work as far as mimicking the personalities of the original cast though.

Dispite all my irks (Sarek being the one that really sticks out), I still enjoyed it, 7.5 out of 10 for me.... Just in case you were all thinking my inner Trekkie had run of the place :P. Splosions, cheesy humour, pew pew pew and ass kicking. yyeahh

[caffiend]

I would just to like to add my contribution to this thread. I saw it tonight and it was: somewhat entertaining.

[[fe]]

No time for kirk blubbing and the comedy was welcome not keen on spending time with a whyyy meee kirk plus special friends.

Almost too slick... lacking rough edges meant nothing special was going to happen but it didnt matter. I enjoyed it, up until the final family get together made me realise I was watching a trek movie and that I have no interest in future adventures of that 60's show.

[Lightspeed]

Originally Posted by Fred

They weren't 'little' plot niggles. The whole plot and story makes very little sense - it relied a lot on coincidence to put people in the right place at the right time.

Coincidence? Nay, destiny!

[Savage]

Originally Posted by buckies

but I still felt their effects as their lummox form squished past to go toilet and top up on more candy snacks mid way through.

$20 for a Gold Class ticket at Sylvia Park Hoyts; reclining leather lazy boy with more leg room than you can shake a stick at. Reputedly the biggest cinema screen in the southern hemisphere (or something along those lines)

Quite enjoyed the movie, thought they got the majority of the actors just right for their roles. As others have said, I'm not much of a Trek fan, but thought this latest production was pretty choice.

[_Incubus_]

Great movie, even the missus loved it..even she was doing the Live long and prosper thing on the way out of the cinema.

[Torka]

Just saw it, highly entertaining, nothing too serious. Thought they did a great job of balancing the self-referential stuff with the need to attract people who normally hate Star Trek.

Was highly amused by how blatantly they went out of their way through the time travel dialog to say "The old canon is dead, we're going to be doing whatever the fuck we want now".

[Nerral]

I really liked it.
Better than any Star Wars prequel.

[orpheus]

saw it last night - very enjoyable. Nice references to the originals.

[JP]

Originally Posted by Furry Crew

Still more realistic than Harry Potter....I mean come on! A Ginga with TWO friends WTF!

Lawlz.

Originally Posted by Nerral

I really liked it.
Better than any Star Wars prequel.

That's an understatement. Considering the Star Wars originals crap all over almost all previous Star Trek movies (come on).

I enjoyed it. Stayed loyal enough to Star Trek while giving it a bit of an update.

However during the movie the largest and most retarded plot hole stood out to me, so correct me if I was wrong (makes more sense now that i've read that prequel bit thanks!). Basically the guy comes back to before Romulus was destroyed, but instead of saving it he goes on a relatively misguided mission of vengance which will do nothing to actually make Romulus more secure since it's destroyed by a star not the federation? I mean wtf? So he could have saved Romulus but instead gets himself killed and doesn't warn them? They're still gonna die in 125 years or whatever no matter what happens to the federation.

[Trigger]

I thought gigantic plot holes and general sillyness was the whole attraction of Star Trek?

[warezthebeef]

Originally Posted by adonis

Aside from Sarek all of the main characters had definitely done their work as far as mimicking the personalities of the original cast though.

This was definitely the bit I enjoyed the most, particularly watching the beginnings of Spock/McCoy's dislike for each other

Perhaps cause I got into it too late I've never even looked at Star Trek as having any coherency, more as just prefabricated setting and characters in which to set stories. Kind of like if someone made a new set of movies set in the Lord Of The Rings universe and recycled a few characters in the process. Having this viewpoint makes it easy for me to enjoy a movie like this without inconsistencies getting getting on my nerves.

Fairly solid from me!

[doppelgänger of someone]

As a fan (though not hardcore) of TNG, I am vaguely familiar with TOS. The high point of the movie is when Spock virtually flipped the Vulcan Science Academy off when he declined to join their ranks because of his 'disadvantage' (I lol). Everything onwards is either science fantasy mumble jumble (which is really what Star Trek the franchise tried to do half of the time anyway) or cut-and-paste job from modern action movie.

[kRAdENkO]

I thought it was pretty average.

[Cyberbob]

Originally Posted by Cyberbob

I really liked it, but it did seem like the Dir of Photography just discovered the lens flare tool

Proof!

i made old star trek look like new star trek!

[Helious]

lol i went and saw it yesterday and didn't even notice those flares or whatever they're called

sucks to be the guy that notices shit like that

[Toksin]

I enjoyed it, fun movie. 10 bucks well spent.

[Cyberbob]

Originally Posted by Helious

lol i went and saw it yesterday and didn't even notice those flares or whatever they're called

sucks to be the guy that notices shit like that

Once you notice you can't unnotice.

[orpheus]

i read bob's comments on it BEFORE Seeing it but i never noticed it either - im sure i will now once i watched it again.

[Cyberbob]

Originally Posted by orpheus

i read bob's comments on it BEFORE Seeing it but i never noticed it either - im sure i will now once i watched it again.

Just check the trailer

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramo...r3_medium.html

Most bridge and outer space scenes were full of them.

[Toksin]

It reminded me of what was done in Firefly with random lights in places shining in to the camera... just a lot more of it.