The fieeeeeth!

[Lightspeed]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydispl...toryID=3604158

[[WanG] Wandarah]

heh, surprise surprise.

[cyc]

Surprise, surprise... more trial by media.

People, it's just a depositions hearing.

[Lightspeed]

Seems more like a trial by SFO to me.

THIS is a freakin' trial by media.

Cops hafta give a lift home to every drunk guy that staggers into their station now?

[Waldo]

yes, I would also like complimentary mints in the back set please. possibly also a selection of music and/or movies

[Noodles]

Originally posted by Lightspeed

Cops hafta give a lift home to every drunk guy that staggers into their station now?

What gets me is he was either too drunk/dumb to ask the cops if he could use their phone to ring his parents for a lift when he got turned down by the cops.

[CCS]

*skips article*

That dirty guilty money taking bitch.

[cyc]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Seems more like a trial by SFO to me.

THIS is a freakin' trial by media.

Cops hafta give a lift home to every drunk guy that staggers into their station now?

Lightspeed, you have no freaking right to tell people what "trial by media" is, given you've gone out of your way to make a thread with a patently inflammatory title in order to stir things up. You complain like hell when people legitimately criticise you for the stupid things you say on here, yet you have no qualms whatsoever with pulling your own lame stunts. Very consistent, buddy.

BTW, that incident with the police is now the subject of an inquiry -- so, you might want to wait till that's completed before delivering your wisdom.

[xor]

Think about the operators that are at the other end. Having to put up with distressed and/or drugged/drunk people for 8hrs a day. I'd say those operators don't even last as long as a pleb on an ISP helpdesk.

[CCS]

Lightspeed,

Do not form your own opinions. Buddy.



PS: The bitch is a feef.

[Genesis]

Originally posted by cyc
Lightspeed, you have no freaking right to tell people what "trial by media" is, given you've gone out of your way to make a thread with a patently inflammatory title in order to stir things up. You complain like hell when people legitimately criticise you for the stupid things you say on here, yet you have no qualms whatsoever with pulling your own lame stunts. Very consistent, buddy.

BTW, that incident with the police is now the subject of an inquiry -- so, you might want to wait till that's completed before delivering your wisdom.

Fucken hell, I know you think of yourself has the greatest thing since slice bread, but cut the guy some slack.

[MoP]

Two words:

Protect and Serve

[mick]

Originally posted by cyc
bla bla bla

some things never change..

[cyc]

Originally posted by Genesis
Fucken hell, I know you think of yourself has the greatest thing since slice bread, but cut the guy some slack.

Thanks for letting me know what I really think. Next time I suffer from any insurmountable issues, I shall seek your guidance.

Look, it's actually rather simple: Lightspeed loves to complain about people persecuting him for no reason. One just feels obliged to point out the real reason for any disquiet is that he's prone to, you know, making stupid posts and threads. Not only that, it seems okay for Lightspeed to complain about the police being unduely attacked but perfectly alright for him to do basically the same thing.

Maybe what I really think is that I hate hypocrisy.

[FRiO]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Seems more like a trial by SFO to me.

THIS is a freakin' trial by media.

Cops hafta give a lift home to every drunk guy that staggers into their station now?

That's actually an interesting story; I agree it isn't the duty of the cops to call a guy a cab or take care of every drunken lout... but it'd be good if cellphone companies offered free calls to local cab services. Lord knows I never have money on my cellphone, and I'd be screwed if I had to call a cab after getting horsed :/.

[Draco T Bastard]

Last time I looked there some taxi companies have 0800 numbers

The other option is, of course, not getting so drunk you can't make a phone call, making sure you have some way to call for a taxi if needed etc. You know, just the basic idea of taking some responsibility for yourself.

[FRiO]

Oh, I'm well aware that some taxi companies have 0800 numbers, but you'll find that several 0800s deny cellphone callers (try calling any radio station from a cellphone). I imagine that taxi companies wouldn't do this, but it is a risk.

I don't regularly go out on the town and get horsed enough not to find my way home or take care of myself... in fact, I never have. The risk remains though, so I can understand why the person called the cops for help if he had no money on his cellphone.

[dylan]

Originally posted by FRiO
That's actually an interesting story; I agree it isn't the duty of the cops to call a guy a cab or take care of every drunken lout... but it'd be good if cellphone companies offered free calls to local cab services. Lord knows I never have money on my cellphone, and I'd be screwed if I had to call a cab after getting horsed :/.

Why would anyone expect someone who not only has a pre-paid mobile phone, but one that never has any money on it - to be able to afford a cab ride home?

p.s. cyc - unduly

[A Corpse]

Originally posted by MoP
Two words:

Protect and Serve

Nope, that's in the US. In NZ it's "Safer communities together".

Originally posted by NZ Herald Website
Foundation to pay for Awatere Huata's stomach stabling operation and school fees for their children.

Is that where you pay for your stomach to stay on a farm for a while so you can't digest food?

[Evoke]

Originally posted by FRiO
you'll find that several 0800s deny cellphone callers (try calling any radio station from a cellphone).

surely you mean "try calling any government department"? radio stations accept all the calls - how else do they talk to people who are driving at the time?

[dylan]

Originally posted by Evoke
surely you mean "try calling any government department"? radio stations accept all the calls - how else do they talk to people who are driving at the time?

I thought there was a separate number (i.e. 09-301-4424) if you were calling from a mobile?

Who knows, it's been ages since I've had to call one

[Helious]

Originally posted by cyc
Maybe what I really think is that I hate hypocrisy.

[Lightspeed]

You're such an ass cyc. I just liked the opportunity to post a thread titled "The fieeeeeth!"

Chappel is so cool.

But I'm not gonna comment on your assness beyond this, it's plain for all to see. It'd be like pointing to the sun and saying "look, it's bright!"

[SickBo@Work]

"Teen beaten after police refuse aid"

What a joke of a paper the herald is becoming.

The Police at the time had no free cars to give this drunk a lift. I know its a tragedy that the Police were out attending fights and burglarys while this poor drunk wanted a free taxi home.

God forbid people take some personal responsibility, i guess it was also the Police who supplied him with the alcohol , made him drink it and then told some guys to go and beat him up?

[BathTub]

I would go as far as saying most listed Taxi 0800s don't take cellphones, United Taxis in Ak changed theirs over in the last couple of months, about the only company I can think of for Ak is Corporate Cabs.

There has always been people calling 111 for taxis, however there has been an increase in the last week or so.

[[WanG] Wandarah]

Originally posted by cyc
Surprise, surprise... more trial by media.

People, it's just a depositions hearing.

pffft, shes as guilty as you look when you eat the last pie.

[Fred]

Originally posted by SickBo@Work

God forbid people take some personal responsibility, i guess it was also the Police who supplied him with the alcohol , made him drink it and then told some guys to go and beat him up?

Radio reported this incident differently. It seems he ended up at the Police Station because he did try to take a Taxi home but they wouldn't accept his credit card. So the Taxi took him to a Service Station and it is unclear whether he paid the Taxi or not here but they refused to take him any further. This lead to him being forced to walk home at which point he went to the local police station for help.

Even if busy it should have been simple enough to get him to settle down on a seat and wait while they dealt with their prisoner issues. As near as I can tell it seems he did try quite hard to do the responsible thing.

[xor]

yeah, that drunk sounds like an outstanding citizen to me. My question would be to you Fred is: Do you think the police have the resources to cater for those that get drunk and can't find their way home?

How long is the response time for police to a burglary or a car that's been broken into?

[Fred]

Originally posted by xor
yeah, that drunk sounds like an outstanding citizen to me. My question would be to you Fred is: Do you think the police have the resources to cater for those that get drunk and can't find their way home?

How long is the response time for police to a burglary or a car that's been broken into?

Given that by not doing anything in this case they simply have added to their workload with a more serious crime to deal with and their already cavaleir attitude expressed in the Piha Beach disappearance when they did have spare capacity available then I am not overly inclined to believe that they didn't have the resources available.

There is such a thing as preventative action and it does seem to be something that the Police are failing to do more and more, exacerbating the problem. Whether this is purely because of a total resource shortage, attitude problem or something else entirely is hard to judge. Certainly the Piha case is a simple failiure to perform their duty. This case does smack awfully of likewise. How long would it take to seat him down and get some id or a phone number for them to call? Or have him wait for a car to become available?

[SickBo@Work]

Nice generalising Fred.

The Piha incident was a result of one or two people in a force of 8000 or so making a misjudgement with serious consequences.

Immediately after the Police held an inquiry, admitted fault and promised change, how exactly does this display a 'cavalier' attitude.

And now your saying that the Police are lying when they say that they were busy on a Saturday night and didn't have a car available to give a drunk a lift home?

Obviously you have no clue at all about how overworked and stretched Police are especially in a place like Porirua on a Saturday night...

I guess they should have diverted the cars attending burglarys, fights and domestics to become a taxi service for every drunk wanting a lift ?

And then when a woman dials 111 because someones invading her home the Police can tell her that they too busy delivering drunks home to attend. Im sure the media will love that one.

[ZoSo]

SickBo, any numbers on how many drunks actually voluntarily walk into a Police station and ask for help?

Obviously they can't help every drunk out there, understandably. But you'd have to think they'd at least be able to take someone who walks IN, aside, and give some better assistance?

Plus a big FU to any and all governments, who run down the Police :/

[Phantom]

Awatere Huata's stomach stabling operation

Down bessy!

[SickBo@Work]

Quite a ridiculous amount, check out Auckland Central Police station on a Friday/Sat night. Its full of drunks demanding lifts home, alleging they have been assaulted by bouncers etc. And when you have 3 or less Police cars operating in the city you can see why priority has to be given to actual crime, rather than running around after drunks....

If this guy had walked in and asked to use the phone and explained his circumstances he would have been able to use it. However from the sounds of it he just walked in asked for a lift, they told him the cars were all tied up and so he left. He had plenty of chances that night to call someone, at the bar, at the petrol station etc.

You chose to get drunk, its your responsibility to get yourself home.

[FRiO]

Originally posted by dylan
Why would anyone expect someone who not only has a pre-paid mobile phone, but one that never has any money on it - to be able to afford a cab ride home?

Hah, you've got me there ... and the only retaliation (that I actually usually do have cash in my pocket, just not on my phone) is piss weak. I've made my argument though ^_^.

To the issue of the police, I have to agree that it isn't their duty to call up cabs and cater for drunks. Chucking them in a cell for a night is an idea, certainly, but they're not a free hotel either. In the end, the solution has already been stated: people have to take responsibility for and take care of themselves, rather than relying upon a third party.

[Fred]

Originally posted by SickBo@Work
Nice generalising Fred.

The Piha incident was a result of one or two people in a force of 8000 or so making a misjudgement with serious consequences.

Which when combined with the Tawa incident following in a short space of time definitely do not paint a positive picture of the police.

Immediately after the Police held an inquiry, admitted fault and promised change, how exactly does this display a 'cavalier' attitude.

Actually after several changed versions of the story and an inquiry launched after public pressure began to come to bear.

And now your saying that the Police are lying when they say that they were busy on a Saturday night and didn't have a car available to give a drunk a lift home?

I raise the distinct possibility. After all the initial claim with the Piha incident was that no cars were available to handle the call. Proving that the official statements of resource availability can be, shall we say, variable. It is a natural tendancy for organisations, especially ones that have recently had a high profile mistake they have had publicly aired, to want to minimise any other recently occuring mistakes.

Obviously you have no clue at all about how overworked and stretched Police are especially in a place like Porirua on a Saturday night...

Oh, really? Tell me have you worked for the Police? Or helped them with a search for a missing family member? Or dealt with them as they investigate a family member, executing a search warrant through your home? Over the last four years I have had more dealings with the Police than I think you give me credit for. Indeed for most of my life I've known Police officers through my parents who often associated with the Canine handlers thanks to the dog world.

I am quite aware of the job Police do and I probably have more direct experience with that than you would imagine.

I guess they should have diverted the cars attending burglarys, fights and domestics to become a taxi service for every drunk wanting a lift ?

And then when a woman dials 111 because someones invading her home the Police can tell her that they too busy delivering drunks home to attend. Im sure the media will love that one.

Good little strawman you are constructing there. By the police's own admission they had a non-beligerant drunk person who was quite responsive and asking for help. Would it have been so terribly difficult to ask him to wait, in the foyer of the police station, while they attended to their other more urgent matters?

[cyc]

Originally posted by Fred

Actually after several changed versions of the story and an inquiry launched after public pressure began to come to bear.

Not to mention the continuing selective drip-feeding of information to both the Asher family and the public.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydispl...ection=general

The Asher family listened this week to a tape of the first of three conversations between Iraena and staff at the police northern communications centre before police made a public apology for not taking the calls seriously enough.

...

The Ashers are angry they have not been able to listen to the subsequent conversations, in which the decision was made to send a taxi, which went to the wrong address 35km away.

"They [the police] are brushing us off," said Angelique Asher. "I have asked specifically every time I have met up with them to hear all the calls but they have only played the first call to us."

That sounds like respecting the family! Also, people shouldn't lose sight of the fact that police internal disciplinary proceedings and the results of such might not be widely reported on and/or unavailable to the public. The check and balance just isn't there.

Again, this goes back to what I've said on here for years: you cannot allow people to investigate themselves and expect to retain the full trust and confidence of the public. An independent and effective PCA should have powers to come in and say "Get out, we are investigating the people involved and we'll administer disciplinary proceedings if needed!".

P.S. A sergeant and an officer at the Comms centre discussing Iraena's case was recorded to have used "unacceptable language" but no one has been told what this entails. The public has no right to know, apparently.

[Lightspeed]

Originally posted by Phantom
Down bessy!

Fieeeeth!

[[BT]Monza]

Originally posted by Fred
Tell me have you worked for the Police?

Bingo

[Lightspeed]

Originally posted by [BT]Monza
Bingo

What?

[Fred]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
What?

I am with Lightspeed on this one. That link doesn't work for me either [BT]Monza. What was it supposed to show us?