No relly... who are you going to vote for?

[OoKiE]

Originally posted by Macca@Work
..and Labour aren't fucking over our country?Riiigghhhhhht....

Please explain how you see Labour has fucked over the country?

[Jodi]

It seems that people are forgetting that Labour and National hold different political beliefs.

Labour is socialist, National is Captialist. And depending on what sort of person you are, you'll agree more with the nats or the reds.

Now, both parties have a certain amount of roll together in the past couple of years, enough that they stay running with previous govt's policies.

[yem]

Labour doesn't believe in capitalism? Liberal and conservative maybe, but I don't think socialist/captialist is an appropriate division.

[OY636]

Originally posted by Ban Midou
www.gonebylunchtime.com

I was amused

[Ban Midou]

FACTS BEHIND NATIONAL'S HOUSING PLANS



· Rents for HNZC tenants rose 106 per cent between 1992 and 1999. Private rentals increased by only 23 per cent and inflation rose only 12 per cent for the same period.

· In the 1990s National choose profit over people and ran Housing NZ at a profit, which was $122m in 1997/98 – made off low-income families.

· The Salvation Army labelled National’s housing experiment as disastrous and linked increasing market rents to an increase in food parcel demand.

· Of the 13,000 state houses National sold off in the 1990s only 3000 were to HNZ tenants through their home buy scheme.

· Market rents led to a dramatic rise in reliance on the accommodation supplement. Before Labour introduced income related rents, National was budgeting $1billion per year for the accommodation supplement for 2003 alone – almost 50 per cent more than occurred under Labour even with a strong housing market.

[Hannibal]

I just can't see National losing this election. The bottom line is labour is taxing the freaking shit out of us for everything under the sun. Labour's taxes have taxes. Everyone knows if Labour gets back in then they'll say "da-ding! they must like what we are doing, let's tax more stuff!!". People are finally fed up with it and not seeing a benefit to it other than a struggle to stay afoat..

[yem]

Hannibal. You're a broken record. Even when presented with evidence to the contrary, you still go on about it. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true, k?

Absorb this interview from this morning. You seriously want to vote for that clown?

[Jonas Undrawing]

^^^ See, Hannibal is the reason why you should stay in school kids.

I can see National losing it. The only people they are impressing are the rich and the stupid. I am stunned by the many ways National has found to shoot itself in the foot. Hannibal, if you're voting with your wallet then shame on you. I don't agree with many things that Labour does, but at least everything they do has a reason, Helen will gladly reveal the details and logic of Labour's decisions when held to task. And they aren't fucking people up the ass under the table. If Brash gets in you better get used to hearing "No comment.", "I'm not at a liberty to say.", or "The most important details on that matter are yet to be revealed."

[Helious]

Originally posted by Jonas Undrawing
I can see National losing it. The only people they are impressing are the rich and the stupid. I am stunned by the many ways National has found to shoot itself in the foot. Hannibal, if you're voting with your wallet then shame on you. I don't agree with many things that Labour does, but at least everything they do has a reason, Helen will gladly reveal the details and logic of Labour's decisions when held to task. And they aren't fucking people up the ass under the table. If Brash gets in you better get used to hearing "No comment.", "I'm not at a liberty to say.", or "The most important details on that matter are yet to be revealed."

Ditto. Well said brother.

[Sidey]

Originally posted by Jonas Undrawing
^^^ See, Hannibal is the reason why you should stay in school kids.

I can see National losing it. The only people they are impressing are the rich and the stupid. I am stunned by the many ways National has found to shoot itself in the foot. Hannibal, if you're voting with your wallet then shame on you. I don't agree with many things that Labour does, but at least everything they do has a reason, Helen will gladly reveal the details and logic of Labour's decisions when held to task. And they aren't fucking people up the ass under the table. If Brash gets in you better get used to hearing "No comment.", "I'm not at a liberty to say.", or "The most important details on that matter are yet to be revealed."

I'm voting Labour. Why change something that is doing so well. The economy is well off, unemployment is low and healthcare seems to be improving. The vibes I get from Labour strongly indicate that they know what they are doing. National are far from it. Labour are going to win because Helen will convince the majority and rest of us to believe the nats can't look after themselves, let alone try and run a country.

If the National Party becomes 'the party', then I will smash both of my LCD monitors with my bare hands.

[The Edge]

Observed near Smale's Farm in Takapuna tonight:



Got a laugh out of me...but then again, I like The Simpsons

Note that the tag on Mr Burns says "Business Roundtable".

[yem]

Latest poll gives Labour nine-point lead

Gee.. three days after a poll put them eight points behind. I think the only thing you can take from this week of polls is not to put much faith in polls.

[TnT]

Originally posted by Sidey
Labour are going to win because Helen will convince the majority and rest of us to believe the nats can't look after themselves, let alone try and run a country.

Frankly I don't think Helen needs to do anything of the sort, the Nats are doing a fairly good job of shooting themselves in the foot at every available opportunity.

[MoP]

main problem is that brash is a total n00b

[surreal]

I definitely wonder if Don and his monetary policy experience could convince me that low taxes is a good idea for the economy...

But because I won't get to chat with Don prior to the election, I'm fairly confident that Labour is the right choice for the country this time...

However Labour has done their best to lose this one - it seems to be too hard for them to link giving lots of average to well off people extra money, to an increase in poverty...

[ihanna]

Originally posted by Simon
For the first time in my adult life, I am ineligible to vote in a NZ general election. I haven't set foot in Aotearoa in the three years immediately prior to the election, counting me out.

It's ok I can't vote either, I am not a NZ Citizen or resident. I voted in the US- NO I DID NOT VOTE FOR THE WANKER IN OFFICE, I voted for the wanker that didn't get in office, he seemed like the lesser of 2 evils.

MMP confuses the hell out of me. We have more than one party in the States but the Independant Party never seems to get more than 10% of the vote.

If I were to vote, I have no idea who I would vote for. Helen seems like she has done some great things for this country, but perhaps Don can bring in some new ideas, though so could the other parties. I am sure everyone if full of good ideas or at least they think they are.

[Helious]

nothing to see here!

[andre]

voted already at the embassy in paris. funny thing about the embassy there is that the receptionist was australian and the woman who arranged my vote was english. what's the deal?

[CCS]

Mate, it's another case of foreigners taking all our fucking jobs.

[Ben Dover]

Originally posted by CCS
Mate, it's another case of foreigners taking all our fucking jobs.

I thought you quit doing blue movies cos Jiz threatened to join the industry. Then it's foreigners having taken your "fucking job". What is it now?

Anyway, I'm glad you haven't given up your day job.

[TnT]

Originally posted by surreal
it seems to be too hard for them to link giving lots of average to well off people extra money, to an increase in poverty...

Frankly they should be all over the nuclear issue, (personally for me it's a not an issue, but it's one most of NZ has little understanding of past the emotional 'NO NUKES' stance), and the recent state housing and health policies released by National.

[andre]

Originally posted by CCS
Mate, it's another case of foreigners taking all our fucking jobs.

well that's not what i was insinuating, i just thought diplomatic posts went to people who worked for MFAT and all...but i spose they have local recruitment in all overseas embassies...it just struck me that's all...

[Sidey]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectID=10344635

This n00b boils my blood. You want this man for PM?

Forget it.

[Ben Dover]

Don has made some unnecessarily stupid comments about his policy in the past which Helen's gang are tirelessly rubbing in. In most instances Don has learnt his lesson and reversed himself for the better. Again he is getting a lot of shit from Helen's gang for reversing himself. When Don approaches folks' base motives by showing them the money, this puts me off, personally. Fair enough though, this game is called politics. That's just the way it is.

We all know that Don - given the chance to lead the next government - would grow under the task and wisen up. Just like many other politicians before. I have seen it happen many times. In reallity, and given a strong and fuctional oppsition in parliament, slim chance for Don to give up what large parts of the population strongly believe in (i.e. nuclear-free status, non-engagement in US-oil-wars, etc.). Besides Don has already reversed himself on most matters and put things into perspective. Now Helen's Gang is still running that hideous "GONE BY LUNCHTIME" campaign against better knowledge, to appeal to some folks' fear of change. Some might call it dishonesty. I'm just stunned by the mindset that somewhat insults the intelligent voter. Is it naive to expect a party to convince you e.g. by a well-rounded policy rather than emotionally blackmailing you into voting for them?

I like Don's bold promise to end the blatant ethnic discrimination in this country. Don't get me wrong it's not that all other western countries are free of ethnic discrimination. It's just that in other western countries it's so out of the question that the government engages in it (at least officially).
*puts on flame retardant suit*
Just a remark to the special people reading this post: ending ethnic discrimination doesn't mean giving up the social systems in this country. It means quite the contrary. If you stop splashing out funds to a certain group of people that are solely defined by ethnicity you will have more budget to allocate to those in need.
*takes off flame retardant suit*

With an OK track record after 2 terms in office, it seems Helen and her gang have grown too complacent to re-invent themselves and tell us why the fuck we should vote for them. Instead they resort to bashing Brash and appealing to a human instinct called fear of change. Really, those 250 additional community cops and more funding for certain medical procedures isn't gonna cut the mustard. Besides why isn't that fixed already given the 2 terms in office?

I am not implying that I have yet made up my mind for one of the mainstream parties (or small parties for that matter), given that the real-life effects of their individual governments would not be very far apart anyway. What I want is more focus on the voter (not the political opponent) from both sides, and most of all some new ideas from Labour for further improving this great country. Recent polls seem to indicate that Labour is not gonna have an easy play winning the election by declaring complacency a virtue.

[Sgt Seb]

Recent polls indicate that the swing voters are indecisive asshats who need to have their voting rights taken off them

=p

[Farmer Joe]

bwhahaha...

Brash knew of Brethren pamphlet plans

What about what you were saying a few days ago?

NZPA

“A spokeswoman for Dr Brash said that Dr Brash did not know anything about the leaflet campaign.”

Press

“Brash said he knew ‘absolutely nothing’ about the pamphlets.”

[[Malks] Pixie]

Originally posted by Sgt Seb
Recent polls indicate that the swing voters are indecisive asshats who need to have their voting rights taken off them

More like recent polls indicate how useless polls actually are. Personally I think it's nobodies business who someone else is voting for - I always feel that politicians would focus more on policy if they had no idea how well they were doing.

Pixie

[Saladin]

Besides Don has already reversed himself on most matters and put things into perspective

He only reversed on the "gone by lunchtime" statement because word got out. It was said behind closed doors and not intended as public policy. He knew it wasn't a popular decision, which is why he wanted to keep it quiet and then sneak it in after he was elected. Reversing his position wasn't a sign of "growing as a politician", it was merely him covering his ass because he knew that having a public policy to end nuclear free would damage his election chances.

I also don't believe he's ever publicy recanted his statements on the Iraq war, and still says we should have sent troops.

[Ben Dover]

Originally posted by Jonas Undrawing
^^^ See, Hannibal is the reason why you should stay in school kids.

I can see National losing it. The only people they are impressing are the rich and the stupid. I am stunned by the many ways National has found to shoot itself in the foot. Hannibal, if you're voting with your wallet then shame on you. I don't agree with many things that Labour does, but at least everything they do has a reason, Helen will gladly reveal the details and logic of Labour's decisions when held to task. And they aren't fucking people up the ass under the table. If Brash gets in you better get used to hearing "No comment.", "I'm not at a liberty to say.", or "The most important details on that matter are yet to be revealed."

We seem to agree that the biggest put-off from Don was to appeal to some folks' base motives by showing them the money. But if you really want to bring this down to morality, Helen's attempt at snatching votes simply for some folks' the fear of change with her hideous "GONE BY LUNCHTIME" campaign didn't make her look like a princess either.

Also, I still remember the governments large scale spraying campaign for some moth in West Auckland. Personally I don't live there, so I hold no grudge. But still, it felt somewhat wrong to me that the government was dumping tons of potent toxic agents on the folks, their playing kids, laundry and veggy/fruit gardens without giving them the chance to make any educated decision based on the composition of those agents. The composition was simply not disclosed. When I heard about this experiment on our own population, I couldn't believe it. It seemed to me like something only the yanks would have done in their dark ages of nuclear experiments on their own oblivious population.

Regardless of how warped and misshapen one's ideology might be, there is just no excuse for government sanctioned ethnic discrimination. [/awaiting objections from profiteers and morons] History shows that this path leads to darkness without fail. To me, this is the area where 2 terms of Helen leaves the stalest after taste.

If we agree that Don and Helen are both ugly, and we don't wanna be fucked in the ass, what is our plan, buddy?

[OoKiE]

Originally posted by Ben Dover
Don has made some unnecessarily stupid comments about his policy in the past ...

Very true but Don's ability to make stupid comments is not limited to the past, nor is it limited to just Don within the National Party.

NZPA “Brash said he knew ‘absolutely nothing’ about the pamphlets.”

Don Brash
"I knew they were going to issue some pamphlets attacking the Government and I said that's tremendous..."

Originally posted by Ben Dover
Don has learnt his lesson and reversed himself for the better...would grow under the task and wisen up.

Sorry can I please have an example where Don has shown an ability to wisen up?

Originally posted by Ben Dover
Now Helen's Gang is still running that hideous "GONE BY LUNCHTIME"

How dreadful for Don, someone trying to hold him to his own words.

Originally posted by Ben Dover
I like Don's bold promise to end the blatant ethnic discrimination in this country.

Great concept but it might be an idea to consider how effective the policies and methods National is going to use to solve the problem. It's easy just to say everyone is equal, it takes some very careful planning to make it almost true, and it extremely hard to make everyone believe it.

The measure of a good society is how well it cares for everyone within that society.

[StN]

Originally posted by OoKiE
The measure of a good society is how well it cares for everyone within that society.

I agree - just look at New Orleans...

[mr selfdestruct]

Jeff for PM!

[Ben Dover]

Originally posted by OoKiE
The measure of a good society is how well it cares for everyone within that society.

True. That's why in all other western civilizations social systems care for individuals based on need and not ethnicity.

[Hannibal]

I think Helen has gone off the deep end. She is so power hungry she's almost demonic. I swear I saw foam coming out of her mouth the other day when that air nz pilot made a joke about her gov't. She's got GOD complex x 1000

[chiquelet]

Originally posted by Hannibal
I think Helen has gone off the deep end. She is so power hungry she's almost demonic. I swear I saw foam coming out of her mouth the other day when that air nz pilot made a joke about her gov't. She's got GOD complex x 1000

Agreed, her reaction definitely didn't make her look good. I'd be surprised if people decided to not vote for her based on that, but I agree 100% with the political commentators who said that she should have just ignored it. Had she ignored it, the media most probably wouldn't have reported the comment, and she wouldn't have looked like such a flaming cry baby.

[SickBo@Work]

Don Brash has said some stupid things, Helen has done some stupid things ie storming into the cabin of a plane and also claiming that she was to busy reading to notice that her car was doing 180kmh. Eitherway if you decide to vote on personalitys rather than policies your a moron (unless said leader happens to belong to the Bush dynasty).

[Ben Dover]

Originally posted by OoKiE
It's easy just to say everyone is equal, it takes some very careful planning to make it almost true, and it extremely hard to make everyone believe it.

This seems to be a popular misconception. Nobody wants "to say everyone is equal". Because we are not equal - never have been, never will be. The communists' agenda had the exact same flaw, and failed miserably. This here is about the need to stop the government sanctioned ethnic discrimination.

[Mabd]

National's Promises! (care of Teh Granny Herald)

1. To cut personal tax so 85 per cent of New Zealanders pay 19 per cent tax or less.

Still wont say how it's going to be funded bar the most broad sweeps of points... "wastage".

2. Make interest on student loans and pre-school childcare tax deductible from April 1, 2006.

oooOOOoooo... I feel richer already.

3. Introduce an Resource Management amendment bill before the end of 2005 and pass it before July 2006.

RMA needs some work. There are parts of it that make it ridiculously difficult to get work done on your property. HOWEVER, I'd think that defining the difference between a private landholder and commercial development, and thus what you can do on such properties, would be a better idea.

4. Introduce nationwide maths and English standards in 2006.

Agreed. If you fail, you should know you have.

5. Require all Treaty of Waitangi claims to be lodged by the end of 2006 and settled by the end of 2010.

HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAh. Dream on. This will NOT produce harmony and accord between races. It will drive a fucking GIANT stake between them. If this were to happen I could see Maori Soverignty making a very concerted push for self-governance. National are fucking blind if they think this will "work". I wonder if there'll be any protests which could lead to violent responses...

6. Introduce and pass legislation to abolish parole for all violent and repeat offenders by July 1, 2006.

... I suppose the best way to break them up would be to incarcerate them for a long time.

7. Overhaul the NCEA before final exams in 2006.

You are FUCKING kidding??? They think they will have a NCEA alternative in place in 14 months!!!!

8. Introduce more thorough medical checks for those on invalid and sickness benefits by April 1, 2006.

I wonder how large the "fraudster" population on these benefits REALLY is...

9. Increase investment in frontline education, health and police services in the 2006 Budget and cut wasteful programmes.

There's that word again... "wasteful". Wonder what it is.

10. Remove all references to the "Principles of the Treaty" from acts of parliament by April 1, 2008 and abolish Maori seats before the next election.

Guaranteed a vote winner. Who needs maori anyway. Oh, I can say that if the Nats get in, because Don Don wants to do away with "Labour Political Correctness" [ref. Granny Herald again]. It's about time this white middle-class male was able to call a darkie-spade a nigger-coon again.

Fuck, if the Nats get in, I'll be seriously (monetarily) more well off. So I win. Fuck the country.

[Evoke]

On September 11 2000, 15 year old Angie Webster died waiting for a $5,000 operation. This Sunday (September 11) Angie's mother, Margaret Webster, will release a balloon from Angie's graveside and another 1152 balloons to remember all those who died on Labour's public waiting lists last year (2004).

1152 balloons will simultaneously be released in Christchurch, Wellington and Auckland.

The number of people who died while on a public hospital waiting list increased by 40% from the year 2002 to 2004. Labour's Minister of Health, Annette King, has been unable to explain why this dramatic increase has occurred. In 2004 1,152 people died while on a waiting list in the public system.

[yem]

Evoke - link?