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Old 5th July 2007, 13:42     #367
samael
 
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Originally Posted by fixed_truth
theists: what is independent of the universe is God
atheists: what is independent of the universe is universal laws

whether this was an 'accidental' or 'conscious' occurrence is the disparity

atheist can't prove universal laws preexist but choose to do so
theist can't prove God preexists but choose to do so

neither have to be justified in their beliefs because they CAN'T be justified - evidence/proof probability certainty etc - are tools for explaining what we know & are impotent in this context
Now you are just babbling.

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Originally Posted by fixed_truth
my point is that your 'certainty' is FALSE - the statement is only absurd if you pretend that your perceptual beliefs are beyond error - probability is a speculative game of lets pretend - however absurd being 30 metres tall may be to you has no influence on its certainty
So, 50/50 chance then is it? Either I am 30 metres tall, or I am not 30 metres tall? Cool. Better ring the guinness book of world records, there is a 50/50 chance that I am in fact 30 metres tall!
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